Spud Street Stock Drivers, listen up....

[Jeff Willette]

For the guys wanting different rules in this class, how do these sound? If we can all agree on them, I say we build them.
Street Stock:
Domestic rear wheel drive full frame and unibody cars only. 3000lb. min. weight.
55% left side weight. 54% left side weight for all leaf spring cars. Must have steel springs.
5" min. ride height.
360 cubic inch maximum on engines. No stroker motors. Flat tops allowed. H-Beam rods allowed. No lightweight engine parts. .450 cam lift rule. No roller rockers. Stock heads, must have GM, Ford or Chrysler casting #. Edelbrock "##16" series aluminum intakes allowed. Iron intakes allowed. All intakes must have manufacturers part number cast into it. Edelbrock, GM, Ford, Chrysler only.
Holley 4412 carb allowed, Rochester 2 and 4 barrel carbs allowed. Rochchester carbs must run iron intake.
Headers allowed. Must dump out under car. Mufflers required. Door exit exhaust is allowed.
Minimum clutch diameter is 10.5" Min. flywheel is 15 lbs. 3, 4, 5 speed manual transmissions allowed. All foward gears must be operational. No lightened or "race" transmissions. Automatics and powerglide transmissions allowed. Automatic transmissions must have functional torque converters. Steel only drive shafts. Driveshafts must be painted white. Automatic transmissions must have steel tranny cooler lines. NO RUBBER HOSE! OE type rear ends. 9" ford allowed ONLY in Ford powered car. Must have 1" lug nuts. 5/8" lug studs strongly recommended. Race axles and c-clip eliminators are allowed.
Must have functional brakes on all 4 wheels. Rear dick brakes allowed. OE type calipers only. Bias adjusters allowed.
7" wheels. May be wagon wheels, race wheels, stock wheels, etc. No aluminum wheels. 64" track width.
Bodies must resemble original body for car. Steel body panels only. Hood pins allowed. Aftermarket plastic bumper covers allowed. 5"x60" spoiler allowed. Stock floors required, from back of driver seat to front firewall. If floors have been cut or rusted out, replacment metal must resemble factory floor, but do not have to be a direct replacment. No home made tin floors. If no floor is in rear compartment, (behind driver seat) steel firewall must be in place. Interior construction must be "neat" and relatively free if dangerously sharp edges. Rub rails are allowed, and must be tight against the body of car, and tapered on the ends. Pipe must be bolted or welded to the roll cage. "Sign post" must be bolted through the body with 3/8" bolts spaced 12" appart for the length of rail. Race seats, 5 point harness and detachable steering wheels are required. Fuel cells are required.
Tubular upper control arms are allowed with weight penalty. Stock swaybar, in stock location with adjuster is allowed. Conversion from stock 4 link to 3 link rear suspension with panhard bar is allowed with weight penalty. Lower link arms must use stock frame attachment location. Jacking bolts or spring adjuster cups are allowed with weight penalty. Aftermarket springs are allowed. Spring rubbers are allowed. Rear frame horn repairs are allowed, and must follow OE frame configuration.
Weight penalties: 10 lbs for sectioned or repaired floors. 30 lbs for tube upper control arms. 30 lbs for 3 link with panhard bar conversion. 15 lbs for each jack bolt or spring adjuster.
These are just ideas of mine for how I feel these Street Stock racecars should be constructed. If all drivers in this class can agree, then I think Troy should consider this rule package. If we build them the same, and have enough cars, we will have this class. This is a rough draft, but is clear enough to let people build up their cars. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jeff.

[McLaughlin26]

From an outside perspective.. This would give me a chance to bring my (Bangor) car up to the County. Should have a big street stock race up there, Id love to come try it.

[kevinharvick0429]

Glad to see you taking initiative again Jeff.

Here is my .02, I think its a great idea to make rules that will allow cars from other tracks to visit. This is, perhaps the type of division that you guys should really push. I know the economy up North makes ours in Central Maine look good, but not a ton of people out there are willing to pay $8 or $10 to watch five Late Models. If all of the people who had Late Models, and Super Streets had put money into street stocks you guys could have a class that had 12-15 cars weekly, and at that point it would grow even further because people would see how much fun you were having. I've said it before, that track is lucky to have you guys, and I'm hoping this year I can make a trip up that way to see some racing.

Thanks,
Jeff.

[Jessechop]

Thats where the issue inlies. Every Street Stock driver was against the purposed rule change, yet that class gets cut and the LMS cars stay. Hmmm, which class do you suppose has more oppertunity to grow in a area that is struggling due to a bad economy? LMS @ $10k+ per car or Street Stocks for $2500 a car? Hmmmm?

The entire rule book is a joke. (more on this later) Actually I said that last year and was told to make a rule book if I thought that was the problem. And you know what, I did. I have it saved right here on my computer, every single class, every single rule. But I never printed it to give it to the track. Why? Better yet why should I? I refreshed my memory one night by looking back throughout the past two summers and why should I do the leg work? What has come from racing that has made me so happy to help? Nothing. Its no secret the only reason I even attend it to help a friend. Hell why he continues to go I think boraders on some form of mental disability, but I digress.

Back to the rules. Lets look at the changes and how much these "new" and "improved" rules are going to help

Northren Lights: Adjustable spring compressors allowed.
• Wheels and Tires: Wagon wheels, snow rims, and all types of “Stock” steel wheels are allowed “as long as they fit the vehicle PROPERLY”. Aftermarket wheels from Diamond Racing Wheels “Stock Car series” allowed. All other brands must be approved by track officials. “No reverse wheels”. Max wheel width 7". No Wheel Spacers allowed. 300 min tread wear tire. No tire wider than a 60 series. Buffing of tires allowed. No recaps allowed. Any offset with a 61" tread width from center of wheel to center of wheel

Adjustable compressors allowed? As in cups? In a entry level division? Has someone fell and hit there head? Or are we taliking about those threaded rod adjuster things VIP sells that HAVE NO PLACE IN A RACE CAR!! Several years ago I had one of those that broke get picked up by the car in front of me, come through the car and hit the roll cage on the passengers side. All I heard was a BANG and somthing rattle around on the floor. When I came in the pits we figured out what happened. Could you imagine one of those going into the stands? Or even if it had hit me? I was wearing a open face helmet at the time. Great way to get hurt

Wheels. 7" apperently enough people cried they went to 7" and allowed Diamond wheels. Diamond, incase anyone dosnt know, makes the biggest pile of crap for race wheels probably to date. So now the entire class if they would like to stay competitive gets to go buy all new wheels @ $60 a pop. GREAT IDEA! I think we should add more rules that force people to spend money! Oh wait, thats right according to track management these cars still fit the rules. I mean we all feel like we can be competitive with 6" stock wheels agains 7" racing wheels. That rule must of just been put into place because they look cool, it wont make the cars any faster. LMAO. You guys can deciver which part of that was sarcasim


Fast 4's: Coil overs allowed.Stock OEM struts or shocks only, no racing shocks or struts.Adjustable spring coil over on front wheel drive only

What? So the same as last year, just more wording to muddy the water, or ?? As far as I know the only coilover on a stock shock outside of a front wheel drive would be on the front of a mustang. Now cars like the 41 have struts with springs but arnt allowed the adjusters, or?

Any stock traction control system must be brought to the tech official’s attention for inspection. Upon inspection or after racing, if it is felt that there is a competitive advantage, tech officials may at their discretion mandate it to be uninstalled or disabled.

Anyone else want to cover this one? I mean really?

Super Street: • 1.5 ratio Roller rockers allowed.

We were told this rule was intended to save money. Can someone PLEASE explain to me how spending $200 on rocker arms save money? We have ran stamped, steel, under the bench rocker arms for 2 seasons and never broke a one. Yet go spend $200, it will save you money, BRILLIANT

Adjustable sway bar allowed. 3 links allowed. Must be located in stock location.

What the hell is stock location if the car didnt have a 3 link to begin with? For instance whats stock on the 02, 08, and the 39? Anyone? What about a car like a Camaro that wants to go 3 link?

Late models: Hell I wont even go there. Thats a joke of epic purportions.

And these are just the rule CHANGES, I didnt even consider covering the existing rules that have more holes than Dick Chenys buddies hunting vest

[stephen88fan]

jessie what was ment for the spring compreeures was the latters you bye at vip that goes into a spring and it removable not a pernament fixture

[groundhogz24]

Jesse I totally agree with you on the the wheels in the Northern Lights. Unity put the same rule in 3 years ago in the Flyin 4 class, 7" wide center mount, it totally killed the class and it hasn't recovered since. We used to have 12-16 cars every night and was down to 6-8 last year even after going back to a stock wheel. Lots guys didn't buy the wheels, they tried to compete against the few that did buy them but ended up getting discouraged and parked their cars. Entry level should be stock steel wheels IMO.

[Jeff Willette]

We can't save all classes at once. Hell, if at all for that matter. I agree with the wheel deal in northern lights too. If anything allow a 7" r/f. ANY spring "booster" should be RUBBER! The class that I want a "do over" in is those Street Stocks. But hell after 300 views it's hard to tell who's on board with this. I'll build what I want and go wherever I can go to race it, even if it's a once a month trip south. And Harvick is right. NOBODY wants to spend $10 to see 5 LMS cars provide less excitment than date hunting at Elks Lodge Bingo.

[Jessechop]

Sorry for the derailment

You know as well as I do the Street Stocks are gone. You can play rule writer all day long but if no one has the sack to jump on board, well, you know the rest.